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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:59:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Precision Zero wrote:Where is the dislike button? I think it starts to display once you've actually tried the feature 
it doesn't matter how good dojos are, it really shouldn't be in eve to begin with.
the premise is dislikable and no amount of "awesome features" will change that, i'd wager.
note: this is sort of the opposite of burner missions. good premise with poor implimentation. this is a poor premise that's probably going to be introduced well... the irony. |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:17:00 -
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tournament pvp is a nice distraction once a year.
however when that kind of format is the staple of eve, i think we'll have a problem.
in wow nobody ever left the capital city; there was no reason to.
now imagine if nobody ever bothered undocking anymore because they could get pvp on demand by pressing a button.
sure you might make pvp more accessible to a few more people... but at what cost to the actual game if nobody's bothering to undock and actually *play* it? |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 12:34:00 -
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dexington wrote:Two step wrote:Where is this magic new requirement that you must be able to screw up what people want to do on their own time coming from? Do you also think ccp would add instanced pve missions and mining belts where people could be left alone, or should this new trend remain a dojo exclusive?
instanced mining would be fantastic, and not require me to find a mining agent. |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:25:00 -
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mynnna wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Le Petite More wrote:Please consider that I have tried this and think it is a terrible idea.
Le Petite More wrote:These will also be abused the hell out of to create safe pockets for afk, well you can't call them cloakers because they won't have to cloak, cyno alts, scouts, supers, and links. Had you actually tried this you'd know the fight has a 5 minute timer. And that the only ships and modules that go in are ships and modules that are stocked in the dojo. Oye. Oooooooh SNAP Anyone opposed to this is pretty much dumb, sorry. This is the most eve-like implementation of "structured fights" that you can possibly get, and it's awesome. There's simply no room for any other opinion.
sure it is the most eve-like implimentation, and it is awesome.
except i still don't think 'structured fights' should have a place in eve. especially when they're instanced off. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:59:00 -
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mynnna wrote:If you don't like other people having structured fights, you can go inject a little bit of unstructuredness into their day by blowing up their dojo.
e: If structured fights have no place on TQ, do y'all folks also oppose the Alliance Tournament? New Eden Open?
no, but they're planned annual tournaments.
not a replacement for people when they're "bored for 20 mins with nothing to do".
not to mention, don't the AT fights themselves take place in jove space? which for all intents and purposes isn't really tq. I was under the impression that the NEO was held on a test server? i may be mistaken, of course. |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:03:00 -
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Kaeda Maxwell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
To the slippery slope folks; This changes nothing the people that are primarily interested in this feature aren't in space for you to fight anyway.
This do not matter. The possibility of non-consensual pvp ANYTIME in any space in new eden is a CORE principle. This idea violates that core principle. You can't un-consensually PvP me in EVE when I'm playing League, because there's nothing left in EVE for me to log in for.
if you can't find something to do in eve; you're doing it wrong. |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:14:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Dave Stark wrote:I was under the impression that the NEO was held on a test server? i may be mistaken, of course. You are mistaken. NEO and AT is on TQ in jove space. The player made SCL is on sisi. And AFAIK it's a shi[b][b/]t ton of effort with sometimes human errors like one team had more than allowed points :( Image SCL on TQ made by players but with better tools to do so :)
Ah right, TIL i guess! |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 14:27:00 -
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It may not really be the main point, but i'd be more likely to get involved in some hilarious frig 1v1 content if i didn't think "losing this frig and probably my pod because i'm bad will cost me like 40m isk because my clone is worth nearly 10x the ship i'm flying", than this thing would.
also, it'd probably encourage me to pvp more on the whole.
just, throwing it out there like... |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:11:00 -
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I'm still curious as to why the irrelevant AT and other similar events keep getting brought up. |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:17:00 -
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Regnag Leppod wrote:baltec1 wrote:
It will die just like the PvP in all of those other games did.
Do please feel free at any time to provide a list of sources showing PROOF of these overly dramatic claims. You keep repeating it, yet never once have I seen a link showing the financial downfall of a game being directly linked to the addition of arenas.
you may have slightly missed the point.
world pvp died in those games. see the beginning of wow before BGs and Arenas... world pvp in tarren mill etc, that **** vanished so quickly after things like battlegrounds and arenas were added.
eve is essentially built on that "world pvp" that has evaporated in pretty much every game that has these kind of instanced pvp systems in them. |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:18:00 -
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Bamboozlement wrote:Dave Stark wrote:I'm still curious as to why the irrelevant AT and other similar events keep getting brought up. "Mommy, why are people in a sandbox game not doing the same thing as me" - you HTFU
i haven't once said that, but you carry on thinking i did. |
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:23:00 -
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Bamboozlement wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Regnag Leppod wrote:baltec1 wrote:
It will die just like the PvP in all of those other games did.
Do please feel free at any time to provide a list of sources showing PROOF of these overly dramatic claims. You keep repeating it, yet never once have I seen a link showing the financial downfall of a game being directly linked to the addition of arenas. you may have slightly missed the point. world pvp died in those games. see the beginning of wow before BGs and Arenas... world pvp in tarren mill etc, that **** vanished so quickly after things like battlegrounds and arenas were added. eve is essentially built on that "world pvp" that has evaporated in pretty much every game that has these kind of instanced pvp systems in them. Flawed logic, there is no incentive to go out in the middle of the map for wow, it's not the same for eve. Another example : GW2 has an "out of the pve map" pvp system using your flawed logic it would kill the open world pvp, a lot of people are roaming the open world wvw map, why ? Because there is an incentive to go there, dojos won't remove anything. Just because wow has a terrible open world design doesn't mean dojos in eve aren't viable, but nice logical fallacy.
look at low sec, low sec is essentially what a pvp server is on wow. an area of space where you can attack anyone on the "other team" (defined in eve as, anyone that isn't you) for no incentive.
so no, it isn't a flawed logic. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:24:00 -
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Yun Kuai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:I'm still curious as to why the irrelevant AT and other similar events keep getting brought up. Because what this dojo is, is a tool given to players to create, manage, and grow their own personal tournaments in between the AT and the NEO. It's about creating one more exciting layer of content for anyone and everyone to get involved with....if they choose. Miners to provide minerals for the construction of the dojo (hopefully), haulers to move ships and fittings, market traders to provide the necessary equipment and the list goes on.
except a peroidic tournament isn't even comparable to a tool that can be used to essentially replace how we pvp in eve. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:27:00 -
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EVE. everyone vs everyone (except in deadspace pockets for your honourable 1v1s) |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.27 19:23:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:You asked for an example and I provided one.
Your counter was that the example was patched.
By that line of reasoning IF the Dojo was put in place and it was seen to be counter to the games purposes and play then it would be patched. Your faith in Eve and its dev team is appreciated.
Please forward a new objection as you have asked and answered this one and I agree with you on the conclusions.
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faith in the dev team would be that they realise this idea is bad, and it never sees the light of day.
that's faith I'm not sure i have.
while it's nice that they have the tools to create such monstrosities, and the use of those tools should be encouraged... ideas like this should never make it to tq. |
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